Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. 124. Creation. @mr-yes: Yeah I don't see how this makes him stronger than this Beyonder, who tangibly bypassed all of Marvel cosmology (even the parts supposedly "beyond" it) and did his Pre-Retcon feats as a. 7. The Hand - Marked the beginning of creation. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Weaknesses. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. He’s high tier Outerversal. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. Eg: The D's from Tenchi Muyo!, Giygas from Earthbound, Kubik and Post - Retcon Beyonder both from Marvel Comics, Milleniummon from Digimon, and Q from Star Trek, Celestial level: Easily universe. 3 years ago. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Blueface1999 • Additional comment actions. 13 years ago@TheLegendary32 said:. Age: Unknown. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. #2. Forums. Sep 6, 2015. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. vs. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. TOAAPRESENCE1. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Follow 8344. Jack Kline can’t do shit. Beyonder 39%. Phoenix isn't above Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Beyonder was merely overwhelmed by the knowledge that each individual has their own life and began to understand why he should care. Lucifer and Michael together are omnipotent. Skyfather. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. 'Twas always thus, and always thus will be. ago No. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and Multi-Oblivion & Oblivion (Pre-Retcon)?The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. which is. Posts. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. The Byonder had to use an infinitesimal fraction of himself to possess people until he got close enough to Doom and have Doom lose control of the. Tier Limit-Outerversal. 0. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. 6. so i think the only characters. Forum Posts. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. beyonder (pre-retcon) old ones (the dark tower) the beyonders the dark tower Replies: 18; Forum: Versus Threads; the beyonders vs the Downstreamers. So with that highballed literalized reasoning that Beyonder is an Ocean to Marvel's Existence and Multiverse and Gods like a droplet, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is at least, more than One hundred and. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. New comments cannot be posted. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseWe can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. Speed. Holy moley. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". She isn't even the strongest female magic user, far from it actually. The one below all (TOBA). And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. #15 Azronger. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is a nigh omnipotent high tier multiversal reality warper there is no way in hell Anti-Spiral or even Simon could win against someone on that level of power. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. -Everything in bleach. Almost any high tier character can beat him"Motion Carried!" ― Alien X Alien X is a sample of Celestialsapien DNA recorded in the Omnitrix that Ben Tennyson can utilize to take up the characteristics of a Celestialsapien. #1. Takes place in an abandoned multiverse. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. u/nullfather can attest to that. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Teams that give him a good enough fight to make him respect them he lets live. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. . Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left him drained . Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. 2. Nope. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Forum Posts. He would also be the main villain in. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. Forum Posts. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Sep 20, 2018. Beyonder is a top tier reality warper there is no spoon there is no trigger there is no SOK. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. Tier 0/0 > Tier A. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. And if we are talking about Cosmic hierarchy then Perpetua is higher tier then Mandrakk. 213. 1. xyrzrockrain. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. K. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. ^2 + DUR^1. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Not even remotely close. Interesting. ProfessorRespect. So I might be missing something. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. English Branch All Mighty can knock out SK tier entities by casting flood and elder gods who hold back from accidentally destroying entirety of existence are sitting in his shadows, that's enough for both lucifer and beyonder. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. ago. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. If he was a true omnipotent, then he wouldn't have been retconned. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. -. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. The Mage: Molecule Man: Round 2: The Mages are Marauders. If this. I just want to gauge how strong marvel characters would be in relation to morningstar. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. It's simple. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. The First and Second Retcon Beyonder are not above The LIving Tribunal. Beyonder, Solar vs. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. -Everything in bleach. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. He beat the Living Tribunal. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Sungsam. (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel : 2, 2016. Hence, in. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was nothing compared to. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Bonus round : pre retcon beyonder vs Rimuru. Definitely Beyonder. 66. It depends which version of Molecule Man, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man will win against Dr. The Voice - This is the most "active" version of God, When The Voice uttered the first word, it created The Word. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. island. Named but mid-level Celestials. 0. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen being who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel Universe and had them do battle on another planet called Battleworld. M. 412. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. ;. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Origin: Marvel Comics. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. Comparing Multi-Eternity to baseline High 1-B, like the Glory is, is like comparing 10-B to High 3-A, or Low 2-C to 2-A. beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and Answers Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. Can Giratina save all of reality from his rage? Or will it die trying? Location: The Negative Zone Win by. Mar 9, 2022. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. even characters like Doctor Doom, Spider-man were on God Tier using PRB Power. No rules as pre-retcon Beyonder is silly powerful but try to keep the teams to a sensible size. I have him at Multiversal. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. "But only in their dreams can men be truly free. . PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. in classic era: Jim. Yeah All Mighty Wins. here is a fight that involves. I'm not taking sides. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. 2. Morals off. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. And yeah he stomps. 3 + (STR*0. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Apr 2014. . than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. Attack techniques and abilities: The Presence has many aspects including. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Lucifer Morningstar (DC) Respect Lucifer Morningstar! (DC/Vertigo) I am a bot | About | Code | Opt-out | Missing or wrong characters? Reply explaining the issue. Reply Slaine_Troyard •. . Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. 0. It's Shown Here ''Upon reaching the House, he hid himself until the Defenders finished their business. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. CsmicRanker1314 1. Ashley. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. TonyStark6999. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. bigbran. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. BeyonderGod's Beyonder is Omnipotent. Origin: Marvel. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. 1 Answer. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. 214. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. . Yujiro defeated a big elephant that even 3 military cars with 5 black guys couldn't stop. Sorted by: 9. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. Manhattan's league. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Similarly, two characters in the same tier need not necessarily be equivalent in terms of power. 664*10^25. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. #8 Edited By Sungsam. Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. Marvel tends to have their top tier have very physical feats while lucifer's are more metaphysical. which. ~Old CBR Post Count: 834~. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. Well technically Dr. 2. This thread is archived. Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated. This was obviously an insane level of power so he was eventually retconned to be weaker and also. Both are in character. This will be Pre-Retcon beyonder against John egbert with his Retcon powers Speed is equalized (Not that it matters cause both these boys are in the Immesruables) The Father : The So:. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. 6,016 2,373. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 0. 7. What teams could maybe stand a chance against pre-retcon Beyonder? Total defeat optional (if possible). Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. 2 years ago. Dimensional Tiering. Follow 41314. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. I have him at Multiversal. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Wiki Points. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. 4,925 4,750. both use 1B rating Both team have 10 Years of prep bloodlusted. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael DemiurgosAll Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Name: Lucifer Morningstar Origin: DC Comics Classification: Angel Gender: Male Age: 10,000,000,000+ Years old Strength Lifting: Speed: Nigh-Omnipresence Striking Speed: Striking Strength: Durability: Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscience Range: Multiverse+ Level Destructive capacity. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. He's a high tier multiversal reality warper. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Originally posted by the DarkoneThe brothers are the most powerfull in there Multiverse. 11,059. PRB was millions of times more powerful than all the poster in the Multiverse combined. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) (Marvel Comics) The-One-Above-All (Marvel Comics) The Presence (DC Comics) Mother of Existence (Image Comics) Divine Presence (I/O) Emperor-Beyond-The-Sea (The Chronicles of Narnia) Eru Iluvatar (Lord of the Rings) Gan (The Dark Tower) God (Digimon) The Force/Gentle Pull (Mario) The Creator (The Wheel of Time). Morals off. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. Locked post. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. . @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. 1 of 2 Go to page. 0. bonus: lỊch sỬ cÁc lẦn retcon cỦa beyonder – kẺ sỞ hỮu nhỮng feat bÁ ĐẠo nhẤt lỊch sỬ marvel comic. Can he beat them?Magi and Saint seiya can take down the post retcon versions but not pre retcon. Location. 548. As in you're taking the story at face value. Follow 12333. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Nice. Even if you want to argue that Beyonder is stronger, it doesn't matter, since Death has already feats of claiming infinite-dimensional entities, that are even. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown.